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… are some papers mentioned in our conversation: Ecopia and collaborators’ landmark genome mining paper: “A …

… and a basic web interface. And we could then show that to collaborators and say, “This is a prototype. If you will … that time into. ALISON:  What was the role of potential collaborators? Like, what did you pitch to them that they … do? ROGER:  So we made a fairly mercenary trade with the collaborators. So, we used those initial analyses we’d done …