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… use natural products necessarily. Fungi are large. They’re microbes, but they’re large microbes. And they have all sorts of cool phenotypes that … they only talk about the bacteria. My god! 30% of our gut microbes are fungi. It’s really frustrating to me. Maybe …

… was looking to develop new methods for DNA sequencing of microbes. And what kept breaking our methods was these damn … And another thing is the bugs that produce them – the microbes that make these secondary metabolites – are usually … just to back up, because you started talking about the microbes that produce these secondary metabolites, like, …